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		<title>By: Cheetah</title>
		<link>http://www.intotheabyss.net/comment-page-5/#comment-23009</link>
		<dc:creator>Cheetah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2025 02:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Now I&#039;m really wondering how many people in the world independently found the secret door without first looking through the book to see which rooms contain entrances to room 45 (and thus technically &quot;cheating&quot; by knowing what numbers to look for). Surely some people must have, right? I invite anyone reading this to share.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now I&#8217;m really wondering how many people in the world independently found the secret door without first looking through the book to see which rooms contain entrances to room 45 (and thus technically &#8220;cheating&#8221; by knowing what numbers to look for). Surely some people must have, right? I invite anyone reading this to share.</p>
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		<title>By: Cheetah</title>
		<link>http://www.intotheabyss.net/comment-page-5/#comment-22986</link>
		<dc:creator>Cheetah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2025 15:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Unfortunately, you can’t just go through the hole in room 16; Maze doesn’t work like that. The hidden door in room 29 is completely different from all the impassable one-way doors, because it actually has a number on it. It’s very, very difficult to find, but it’s surely at least possible to solve the puzzle in room 29 without having to look through the book first. Ironically, using doors with no number on them, even if that were intended to be possible (it’s not), WOULD necessarily require getting lost and resorting to looking through the book first.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, you can’t just go through the hole in room 16; Maze doesn’t work like that. The hidden door in room 29 is completely different from all the impassable one-way doors, because it actually has a number on it. It’s very, very difficult to find, but it’s surely at least possible to solve the puzzle in room 29 without having to look through the book first. Ironically, using doors with no number on them, even if that were intended to be possible (it’s not), WOULD necessarily require getting lost and resorting to looking through the book first.</p>
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		<title>By: Stallon Silver</title>
		<link>http://www.intotheabyss.net/comment-page-5/#comment-22983</link>
		<dc:creator>Stallon Silver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2025 00:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Door 16 leads to a Loop. 

The shortest path requires you to go to Room 29 where the secret Door 17 lies on the table. It&#039;s the only true way into Room 17 which leads to 45.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Door 16 leads to a Loop. </p>
<p>The shortest path requires you to go to Room 29 where the secret Door 17 lies on the table. It&#8217;s the only true way into Room 17 which leads to 45.</p>
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		<title>By: Reem</title>
		<link>http://www.intotheabyss.net/comment-page-5/#comment-22981</link>
		<dc:creator>Reem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2025 17:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello, 

I am not sure if anyone is still working on this. I just finished the shortest path and when I came to see if my answer was correct I ended up finding that ppl didn&#039;t differently even though it still does not make sense to me why they skipped door number 16 from room 4. I mean ppl are already finding that 17 is the missing door by searching through the book, and so it could totally be door 16 the same way because the hole there leads to room 32 then 28 then 45. 

I want a solution that doesn&#039;t expect readers to go through the whole book first. I think the shortest path can only occur after ppl are already lost through the book. It is the only way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello, </p>
<p>I am not sure if anyone is still working on this. I just finished the shortest path and when I came to see if my answer was correct I ended up finding that ppl didn&#8217;t differently even though it still does not make sense to me why they skipped door number 16 from room 4. I mean ppl are already finding that 17 is the missing door by searching through the book, and so it could totally be door 16 the same way because the hole there leads to room 32 then 28 then 45. </p>
<p>I want a solution that doesn&#8217;t expect readers to go through the whole book first. I think the shortest path can only occur after ppl are already lost through the book. It is the only way.</p>
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		<title>By: ritz</title>
		<link>http://www.intotheabyss.net/comment-page-5/#comment-22947</link>
		<dc:creator>ritz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2025 03:41:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, it seems like this is finally coming to pass, although less dramatically than in my prophetic vision, haha. Also I’m less of a hipster now so I’m nothing but overjoyed that our beloved MAZE is getting more pairs of eyes on it (in it?)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it seems like this is finally coming to pass, although less dramatically than in my prophetic vision, haha. Also I’m less of a hipster now so I’m nothing but overjoyed that our beloved MAZE is getting more pairs of eyes on it (in it?)</p>
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		<title>By: vewatkin</title>
		<link>http://www.intotheabyss.net/comment-page-5/#comment-22638</link>
		<dc:creator>vewatkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Aug 2024 21:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s a door it has a knob, it looks like the other doors...I don&#039;t have any issue with it.  In terms of including a door that&#039;s hiding in plain sight, but undeniable once discovered, I don&#039;t know how much better it gets.

The fact that it goes down doesn&#039;t seem like an issue in this place.  It isn&#039;t unique in that regard.  Other vertical passages just don&#039;t have this sort of door on them, for obvious reasons.

I don&#039;t know, man, I feel like this is one of the best puzzle aspects in the book!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a door it has a knob, it looks like the other doors&#8230;I don&#8217;t have any issue with it.  In terms of including a door that&#8217;s hiding in plain sight, but undeniable once discovered, I don&#8217;t know how much better it gets.</p>
<p>The fact that it goes down doesn&#8217;t seem like an issue in this place.  It isn&#8217;t unique in that regard.  Other vertical passages just don&#8217;t have this sort of door on them, for obvious reasons.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know, man, I feel like this is one of the best puzzle aspects in the book!</p>
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		<title>By: ritz</title>
		<link>http://www.intotheabyss.net/comment-page-5/#comment-22637</link>
		<dc:creator>ritz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Aug 2024 21:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The method oldnslo186 uses is unintended, yeah—it breaks the logic of the book and the officially confirmed contest. (Their misunderstanding the rules of one-way doors isn’t really their fault, though; Maze can be opaque. Maybe we should’ve been more patient with them.)

However, I actually think the path from 29 to 17 is one of the weakest points in the book. Manson constructed Maze in such a way that, to preserve the difficulty of the core path, required the center to be obscured from either the  direction of entry or exit. This is so the 16 step path can’t be brute-forced.

And so one door is hidden. But it’s not a door, really, is it? It’s still a table, it just looks like a door when the page is upside-down… also just sorta, because it’s still parallel to the floor in a very un-doorlike way. I think disguising a door was a fine solution for the bottleneck problem, but Manson still invited brute-forcing with 29. If you don’t find the door to 17, which isn’t unlikely (how many of us did?) you might just map out every connection from 1 to the center and see where the blind spot is.

This shark-jumping could have been balanced out by the room being simpler—perhaps being a dead-end like 35. It could’ve even been a room like 24 with no identifiable exit, but the text could refute that. At the very least the room could’ve been decrowded a little. I guess Manson didn’t want to make anything easy so deep into the Maze, but the difficulty of getting to room 17 feels different than the difficult of parsing other rooms. It’s less of a puzzle problem (you will quickly find out if you dislike Maze’s puzzles) and more of a structure problem.

Maze is perhaps my favorite book ever published, but I don’t think it’s beyond critique. Obviously 29 to 17 is intended, but I think the second half of your comment is what DEFINITIVELY proves that, Rob, because using clues to break the Maze’s rules muddies the waters. I think Manson kind of invited that with 29-17, and I don’t blame people for getting confused about it.

(oldnslo186‘s explanation about the path not being verifiable doesn’t make much sense to me, though— if it’s about the one-way stuff, you could just say the unmarked door in 17 is the 29 entrance. Don’t know if I’m missing anything there.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The method oldnslo186 uses is unintended, yeah—it breaks the logic of the book and the officially confirmed contest. (Their misunderstanding the rules of one-way doors isn’t really their fault, though; Maze can be opaque. Maybe we should’ve been more patient with them.)</p>
<p>However, I actually think the path from 29 to 17 is one of the weakest points in the book. Manson constructed Maze in such a way that, to preserve the difficulty of the core path, required the center to be obscured from either the  direction of entry or exit. This is so the 16 step path can’t be brute-forced.</p>
<p>And so one door is hidden. But it’s not a door, really, is it? It’s still a table, it just looks like a door when the page is upside-down… also just sorta, because it’s still parallel to the floor in a very un-doorlike way. I think disguising a door was a fine solution for the bottleneck problem, but Manson still invited brute-forcing with 29. If you don’t find the door to 17, which isn’t unlikely (how many of us did?) you might just map out every connection from 1 to the center and see where the blind spot is.</p>
<p>This shark-jumping could have been balanced out by the room being simpler—perhaps being a dead-end like 35. It could’ve even been a room like 24 with no identifiable exit, but the text could refute that. At the very least the room could’ve been decrowded a little. I guess Manson didn’t want to make anything easy so deep into the Maze, but the difficulty of getting to room 17 feels different than the difficult of parsing other rooms. It’s less of a puzzle problem (you will quickly find out if you dislike Maze’s puzzles) and more of a structure problem.</p>
<p>Maze is perhaps my favorite book ever published, but I don’t think it’s beyond critique. Obviously 29 to 17 is intended, but I think the second half of your comment is what DEFINITIVELY proves that, Rob, because using clues to break the Maze’s rules muddies the waters. I think Manson kind of invited that with 29-17, and I don’t blame people for getting confused about it.</p>
<p>(oldnslo186‘s explanation about the path not being verifiable doesn’t make much sense to me, though— if it’s about the one-way stuff, you could just say the unmarked door in 17 is the 29 entrance. Don’t know if I’m missing anything there.)</p>
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		<title>By: mazeloverRob</title>
		<link>http://www.intotheabyss.net/comment-page-5/#comment-22633</link>
		<dc:creator>mazeloverRob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Aug 2024 23:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The path from 29 to 17 is totally verifiable.  There are too many hints and clues in 29 for it not be. It&#039;s the only way to correctly break through to the second half of the path.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The path from 29 to 17 is totally verifiable.  There are too many hints and clues in 29 for it not be. It&#8217;s the only way to correctly break through to the second half of the path.</p>
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		<title>By: SpokenSigil</title>
		<link>http://www.intotheabyss.net/comment-page-5/#comment-21927</link>
		<dc:creator>SpokenSigil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2022 15:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello all. New to the site but not to MAZE. Finally have some time on my hands to go through this book again! Hoping to offer whatever insight I can gather alongside everyone else.

That means I have yet to comment my thoughts on any of the room pages here, so apologies(?) in advance if I end up typing a lot in quick succession across the site. Right now I am just reading through the chat logs and partial solutions as to familiarize myself with what has already been said, and I will try not to repeat any of those ideas.

Looking forward to working with everyone!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello all. New to the site but not to MAZE. Finally have some time on my hands to go through this book again! Hoping to offer whatever insight I can gather alongside everyone else.</p>
<p>That means I have yet to comment my thoughts on any of the room pages here, so apologies(?) in advance if I end up typing a lot in quick succession across the site. Right now I am just reading through the chat logs and partial solutions as to familiarize myself with what has already been said, and I will try not to repeat any of those ideas.</p>
<p>Looking forward to working with everyone!</p>
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		<title>By: vewatkin</title>
		<link>http://www.intotheabyss.net/comment-page-5/#comment-21908</link>
		<dc:creator>vewatkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2022 19:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry, we only like contests that are already over and were impossible to win.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, we only like contests that are already over and were impossible to win.</p>
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