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		<title>By: davidws</title>
		<link>http://www.intotheabyss.net/prologue/comment-page-2/#comment-23257</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2026 00:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Folks have noted below that the text “The monstrous walls rise up and run away as far as the human eye can see, circling and dividing. Which half is the Maze?” has a lot of math references.  “Rise” and “run” remind me of a right triangle.  “Circling” reminds me of a compass.  “Dividing” could reference a ruler or straight edge.  A line splits a plane into two sides, for example.  The Title page features a compass and a straight edge which Ancient Greeks used to construct all kinds of numbers and shapes.  But they couldn’t find a procedure to construct a square with the same area as a circle, called “squaring the circle”, because that would require constructing the square root of pi.  Pi is not only irrational, it’s also transcendental and can’t be constructed using a straight edge and compass.  There’s no way to know if any of this was intended by Manson with the image of pi in the doorframe (short of asking him of course), but there are an intriguing set of possible clues.  It’s mentioned in the solutions above that the umbrella handle is a pretty good “r” that could clue: pi times r (“r”adius) equals the circumference of a half circle, and there’s a half circle above the door frame.  On top of all that, here’s some more fun with pi and “r” that might help tie all this together into an actionable direction.  Or it’s just more unintended fun…

The Greek Ietter pi represents the number 80 in ancient Greek. 8 (or the infinity sign) is the shape of the path, and zero is the shape of the loop.  The letter “r” is the 18th letter of the alphabet, and Room 18 features as an interesting place on the loop with 0s, 1s, and infinity signs depicted in it.  The sun shaft passing through the half circle lights up the handle to door 41 in the next room, Room 1.  In Room 1, there is the text “the sun glared at me through the gateway”.  M(13) + E(5) = 18.  Door 41 leads to the loop and Room 18.  The red herring above the gate on the cover might indicate that Door 41 is not on the correct path.  But following the light shaft to Room 41 might lead us to some clues about our guide!

For those who are squeamish about converting words into numbers (which includes me) there are notes on the floor of Room 1 that say “GO 17”, the key room to find to get to the center, and nearby in the notes is “HI=“.  H(8) + I(9) = 17.  So it looks like Manson is encouraging us to look for numerical games like these.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Folks have noted below that the text “The monstrous walls rise up and run away as far as the human eye can see, circling and dividing. Which half is the Maze?” has a lot of math references.  “Rise” and “run” remind me of a right triangle.  “Circling” reminds me of a compass.  “Dividing” could reference a ruler or straight edge.  A line splits a plane into two sides, for example.  The Title page features a compass and a straight edge which Ancient Greeks used to construct all kinds of numbers and shapes.  But they couldn’t find a procedure to construct a square with the same area as a circle, called “squaring the circle”, because that would require constructing the square root of pi.  Pi is not only irrational, it’s also transcendental and can’t be constructed using a straight edge and compass.  There’s no way to know if any of this was intended by Manson with the image of pi in the doorframe (short of asking him of course), but there are an intriguing set of possible clues.  It’s mentioned in the solutions above that the umbrella handle is a pretty good “r” that could clue: pi times r (“r”adius) equals the circumference of a half circle, and there’s a half circle above the door frame.  On top of all that, here’s some more fun with pi and “r” that might help tie all this together into an actionable direction.  Or it’s just more unintended fun…</p>
<p>The Greek Ietter pi represents the number 80 in ancient Greek. 8 (or the infinity sign) is the shape of the path, and zero is the shape of the loop.  The letter “r” is the 18th letter of the alphabet, and Room 18 features as an interesting place on the loop with 0s, 1s, and infinity signs depicted in it.  The sun shaft passing through the half circle lights up the handle to door 41 in the next room, Room 1.  In Room 1, there is the text “the sun glared at me through the gateway”.  M(13) + E(5) = 18.  Door 41 leads to the loop and Room 18.  The red herring above the gate on the cover might indicate that Door 41 is not on the correct path.  But following the light shaft to Room 41 might lead us to some clues about our guide!</p>
<p>For those who are squeamish about converting words into numbers (which includes me) there are notes on the floor of Room 1 that say “GO 17”, the key room to find to get to the center, and nearby in the notes is “HI=“.  H(8) + I(9) = 17.  So it looks like Manson is encouraging us to look for numerical games like these.</p>
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		<title>By: sp</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2025 23:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dante&#039;s Inferno, part of his Divine Comedy, describes nine levels of Hell, organized as concentric circles descending into the Earth. They are not subdivided or added to additional levels or layers.

Regarding the number 24, it does not have a significant or explicit role in Inferno. The text is structured around the number 100 (the total cantos in the Divine Comedy), with Inferno containing 34 cantos (1 introductory + 33 for the journey). Numerical symbolism is prevalent, especially 3 (reflecting the Trinity) and 9 (as 3x3), but 24 does not appear as a notable number in the structure.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dante&#8217;s Inferno, part of his Divine Comedy, describes nine levels of Hell, organized as concentric circles descending into the Earth. They are not subdivided or added to additional levels or layers.</p>
<p>Regarding the number 24, it does not have a significant or explicit role in Inferno. The text is structured around the number 100 (the total cantos in the Divine Comedy), with Inferno containing 34 cantos (1 introductory + 33 for the journey). Numerical symbolism is prevalent, especially 3 (reflecting the Trinity) and 9 (as 3&#215;3), but 24 does not appear as a notable number in the structure.</p>
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		<title>By: Cheetah</title>
		<link>http://www.intotheabyss.net/prologue/comment-page-2/#comment-23109</link>
		<dc:creator>Cheetah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2025 20:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting trivia about the number 24.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting trivia about the number 24.</p>
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		<title>By: britzerland</title>
		<link>http://www.intotheabyss.net/prologue/comment-page-2/#comment-23108</link>
		<dc:creator>britzerland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2025 02:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;They think I am some poet that will lead them through the Underworld&quot; is Dante of Dante&#039;s inferno. In which Cereberus appears in 3rd circle of hell (gluttony) and minotaur appears in the first part of lower hell (circle 7 (violence) part 1/3). 

&quot;They should call me Cerberus... I am the lesson&quot; is a reference to Hercules&#039; 12th labour/trial; to capture Cerberus. 

&quot;The monstrous walls run up and far away as far as the eye can see, circling and dividing. Which half is the Maze?&quot;
&quot;Circling and diving&quot; and &quot;which half&quot; are talking about the 12 segments of the semi circle above the pi.
The segments are &quot;monstrous&quot; because there are 12 of them like Cerebeus&#039; lesson number mentioned just before this. 
&quot;Rise up and run far away as far as the eye can see&quot;: the semi circle is a C-like arc on the very top of an i shaped hole and it runs off the page. 

Dante&#039;s inferno shows hell having 24 levels. So halving those levels also gives 12 which is segments on the semi circle. 
(Theres 1 entry vestibule and 9 circles of hell. 
4 circles of upper hell and 5 circles of lower hell. 
Lower hell circles have further subdivions: circle 7 has 3 parts, circle 8 has 10, circle 9 has 4. So 24 total levels.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;They think I am some poet that will lead them through the Underworld&#8221; is Dante of Dante&#8217;s inferno. In which Cereberus appears in 3rd circle of hell (gluttony) and minotaur appears in the first part of lower hell (circle 7 (violence) part 1/3). </p>
<p>&#8220;They should call me Cerberus&#8230; I am the lesson&#8221; is a reference to Hercules&#8217; 12th labour/trial; to capture Cerberus. </p>
<p>&#8220;The monstrous walls run up and far away as far as the eye can see, circling and dividing. Which half is the Maze?&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Circling and diving&#8221; and &#8220;which half&#8221; are talking about the 12 segments of the semi circle above the pi.<br />
The segments are &#8220;monstrous&#8221; because there are 12 of them like Cerebeus&#8217; lesson number mentioned just before this.<br />
&#8220;Rise up and run far away as far as the eye can see&#8221;: the semi circle is a C-like arc on the very top of an i shaped hole and it runs off the page. </p>
<p>Dante&#8217;s inferno shows hell having 24 levels. So halving those levels also gives 12 which is segments on the semi circle.<br />
(Theres 1 entry vestibule and 9 circles of hell.<br />
4 circles of upper hell and 5 circles of lower hell.<br />
Lower hell circles have further subdivions: circle 7 has 3 parts, circle 8 has 10, circle 9 has 4. So 24 total levels.)</p>
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		<title>By: vewatkin</title>
		<link>http://www.intotheabyss.net/prologue/comment-page-2/#comment-22875</link>
		<dc:creator>vewatkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2025 14:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The mathematical allusions in the fourth paragraph are hard to ignore, though we&#039;ve never had a good theory for why they&#039;re there.  Connecting it with the geometry of the archtecture is reasonable, though we end up with an image that reflects the text and text that reflects the image, without any real idea of why any of that stuff is here at all.

Sometimes the text just seems to obliquely reference things in the text, just drawing our attention to them in the same way as an arrow or a pointing broom or something in the room might do.  In that respect, maybe &quot;circling and dividing&quot; is just a means of saying, &quot;hey, look at that bifurcated circle.&quot;

&quot;Rise&quot; and &quot;run&quot; have no such obvious referent in the image, but certainly evoke the mathematical components of slope.  No clue why.  Maybe it&#039;s just alliterative phrasing, occuring in proximity to mathematical terms without intention, or maybe we just don&#039;t get it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The mathematical allusions in the fourth paragraph are hard to ignore, though we&#8217;ve never had a good theory for why they&#8217;re there.  Connecting it with the geometry of the archtecture is reasonable, though we end up with an image that reflects the text and text that reflects the image, without any real idea of why any of that stuff is here at all.</p>
<p>Sometimes the text just seems to obliquely reference things in the text, just drawing our attention to them in the same way as an arrow or a pointing broom or something in the room might do.  In that respect, maybe &#8220;circling and dividing&#8221; is just a means of saying, &#8220;hey, look at that bifurcated circle.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Rise&#8221; and &#8220;run&#8221; have no such obvious referent in the image, but certainly evoke the mathematical components of slope.  No clue why.  Maybe it&#8217;s just alliterative phrasing, occuring in proximity to mathematical terms without intention, or maybe we just don&#8217;t get it.</p>
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		<title>By: Treenk96</title>
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		<dc:creator>Treenk96</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2025 13:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Also. Please note that capital Pi is used in mathematics to represent the product in pi notation (Which is a mathematical operarion for repeated multipy operation).

As stated in room 17 (just previous to the center). &quot;If you think the maze as a machine, confusion was its product, and it was hard at work&quot;.

On and next to the Pi product operator there are often terms. In &quot;the maze&quot; the terms are a red herring, &quot;the next page&quot; and an umbrella. Of course, none of them have mathematical sense.

I prefer Aria&#039;s version of Pi*r pointing to half circle than this nonsense product pi notation leading to confusion and room 17.

But that is up to you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also. Please note that capital Pi is used in mathematics to represent the product in pi notation (Which is a mathematical operarion for repeated multipy operation).</p>
<p>As stated in room 17 (just previous to the center). &#8220;If you think the maze as a machine, confusion was its product, and it was hard at work&#8221;.</p>
<p>On and next to the Pi product operator there are often terms. In &#8220;the maze&#8221; the terms are a red herring, &#8220;the next page&#8221; and an umbrella. Of course, none of them have mathematical sense.</p>
<p>I prefer Aria&#8217;s version of Pi*r pointing to half circle than this nonsense product pi notation leading to confusion and room 17.</p>
<p>But that is up to you.</p>
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		<title>By: Treenk96</title>
		<link>http://www.intotheabyss.net/prologue/comment-page-2/#comment-22872</link>
		<dc:creator>Treenk96</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2025 09:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think no one pointed to this idea. The monstruous walls are pages. I could not relate it to any clue either.

&quot;The monstrous walls rise up and run away as far as the human eye can see, circling and dividing.&quot; -&gt; What are the monstruos walls I wondered? Walls normally dont run, dont circle, dont divide.

The monstruos walls are the pages. When the eye has seen them, they rise up and divide the book in halves. Then run away (back) describing half a circle. 

This idea relates to the [pi * r] theory that Aria stated, pointing to the half circle movement of a turning page. 

Some metaphorical ideas: Maybe turning a page casts light (knowledge) in the process. The guide hates that. And the keystone which is the highest/middle point in an arc is the key for something.

&quot;Which half is the maze?&quot; -&gt; Probably refering to text and picture as the two halves of a wall. Not useful either as obviously both halves are the maze.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think no one pointed to this idea. The monstruous walls are pages. I could not relate it to any clue either.</p>
<p>&#8220;The monstrous walls rise up and run away as far as the human eye can see, circling and dividing.&#8221; -&gt; What are the monstruos walls I wondered? Walls normally dont run, dont circle, dont divide.</p>
<p>The monstruos walls are the pages. When the eye has seen them, they rise up and divide the book in halves. Then run away (back) describing half a circle. </p>
<p>This idea relates to the [pi * r] theory that Aria stated, pointing to the half circle movement of a turning page. </p>
<p>Some metaphorical ideas: Maybe turning a page casts light (knowledge) in the process. The guide hates that. And the keystone which is the highest/middle point in an arc is the key for something.</p>
<p>&#8220;Which half is the maze?&#8221; -&gt; Probably refering to text and picture as the two halves of a wall. Not useful either as obviously both halves are the maze.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe W</title>
		<link>http://www.intotheabyss.net/prologue/comment-page-2/#comment-22761</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2025 06:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I see your point. Still, I don&#039;t think using πr² is much of a stretch here. The π symbol is clearly visible in the doorway. The umbrella handle, which could represent r (the radius), may not be as obvious, but given Manson&#039;s style, his clues often carry a playful or subtle tone.

Why not πr³? That is not a standard formula. The more familiar ones involve the area of a circle (πr²) or a semicircle (πr or ½πr²). In this context, πr² feels more appropriate.

You&#039;re right that there is a strong theme of halves throughout the text and rooms, but I would argue there is also a recurring theme of full circles or cycles in the Maze. That is why the area of a full circle, πr², makes sense to me, especially as it leads into Room 1.

I also believe that the clues in each room do not point to just one direction, whether correct or not. Often, they refer to the room just left as well. In Room 1, for example, there are technically two correct doors: Rooms 20 and 26. These represent both the beginning and the end of the path, completing a cycle.

This idea of cycles supports the use of πr², and the light forming a half-circle on the incorrect doors also fits this theme.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see your point. Still, I don&#8217;t think using πr² is much of a stretch here. The π symbol is clearly visible in the doorway. The umbrella handle, which could represent r (the radius), may not be as obvious, but given Manson&#8217;s style, his clues often carry a playful or subtle tone.</p>
<p>Why not πr³? That is not a standard formula. The more familiar ones involve the area of a circle (πr²) or a semicircle (πr or ½πr²). In this context, πr² feels more appropriate.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right that there is a strong theme of halves throughout the text and rooms, but I would argue there is also a recurring theme of full circles or cycles in the Maze. That is why the area of a full circle, πr², makes sense to me, especially as it leads into Room 1.</p>
<p>I also believe that the clues in each room do not point to just one direction, whether correct or not. Often, they refer to the room just left as well. In Room 1, for example, there are technically two correct doors: Rooms 20 and 26. These represent both the beginning and the end of the path, completing a cycle.</p>
<p>This idea of cycles supports the use of πr², and the light forming a half-circle on the incorrect doors also fits this theme.</p>
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		<title>By: ritz</title>
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		<dc:creator>ritz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2025 22:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Reading the brick as a square is fun but contrived. Who says it isn’t πr³, by that logic? There are much clearer ways to cue “squaring.” I also think it WOULD BE a stretch to use the bumberbrella’s handle as an “r”—buuut all handles in the book are pretty consistently different, which draws attention to their shape and makes the reading a little more defensible.
The area of a circle specifically representing Room 1 doesn’t make sense to me, but I might be missing something there. The half circle evincing two incorrect doors makes even less sense IMO. You could just as easily twist that into a clue for 41 being a PART of your journey because it’s PART of a circle and mehhh.
I do love the cheeky pi in this archway, though. This page works best for me as pure symbolism and stage-setting. When it comes to Maze’s front matter, poking around for “go to this door” messages is often even less fruitful than usual. The geometry stuff here is simple and stylistic, and it serves well as a splash of color for the math-brained reader:
Pi goes on forever. According to this intro, so does the maze. Pi is also irrational. The guide makes clear they have no plans to elucidate the maze for us.
Pi (beyond just being a greek letter) conjures ancient masters, golden ratios, secret labyrinths. At least to me!
The text makes a couple mathematical references which are not controversial (“circling and dividing” “finding the center”). The depiction of a HALF circle above the arch also works well with the question of “which half is the Maze”, tickling the reader with the existentialism that the core riddles are stewed in.
The theme of halves is important to the book… and I’ll loosen up a bit and say you could even tie this into the guide’s hybrid identity if you really wanted. You don’t even need to go there, though—I think the pi works as a strong part of the cover’s identity because of its simplicity. I don’t fault you for looking for a πr² though, and I’ve enjoyed thinking through this longstanding theory!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading the brick as a square is fun but contrived. Who says it isn’t πr³, by that logic? There are much clearer ways to cue “squaring.” I also think it WOULD BE a stretch to use the bumberbrella’s handle as an “r”—buuut all handles in the book are pretty consistently different, which draws attention to their shape and makes the reading a little more defensible.<br />
The area of a circle specifically representing Room 1 doesn’t make sense to me, but I might be missing something there. The half circle evincing two incorrect doors makes even less sense IMO. You could just as easily twist that into a clue for 41 being a PART of your journey because it’s PART of a circle and mehhh.<br />
I do love the cheeky pi in this archway, though. This page works best for me as pure symbolism and stage-setting. When it comes to Maze’s front matter, poking around for “go to this door” messages is often even less fruitful than usual. The geometry stuff here is simple and stylistic, and it serves well as a splash of color for the math-brained reader:<br />
Pi goes on forever. According to this intro, so does the maze. Pi is also irrational. The guide makes clear they have no plans to elucidate the maze for us.<br />
Pi (beyond just being a greek letter) conjures ancient masters, golden ratios, secret labyrinths. At least to me!<br />
The text makes a couple mathematical references which are not controversial (“circling and dividing” “finding the center”). The depiction of a HALF circle above the arch also works well with the question of “which half is the Maze”, tickling the reader with the existentialism that the core riddles are stewed in.<br />
The theme of halves is important to the book… and I’ll loosen up a bit and say you could even tie this into the guide’s hybrid identity if you really wanted. You don’t even need to go there, though—I think the pi works as a strong part of the cover’s identity because of its simplicity. I don’t fault you for looking for a πr² though, and I’ve enjoyed thinking through this longstanding theory!</p>
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		<title>By: Minnie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Minnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2025 21:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Amazing!! I have been a longtime fan and am thankful to see other still working on this book in 2025. I have been using the maze website with poor photocopies, and just ordered the actual book. I will keep adding to these forums as well. 

I&#039;ll see you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazing!! I have been a longtime fan and am thankful to see other still working on this book in 2025. I have been using the maze website with poor photocopies, and just ordered the actual book. I will keep adding to these forums as well. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll see you.</p>
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