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		<title>By: vewatkin</title>
		<link>http://www.intotheabyss.net/room-13/comment-page-3/#comment-23365</link>
		<dc:creator>vewatkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2026 13:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I assume we eventually choose the right door in that room so we don’t return back in the loop...&quot;

The thing with this line of reasoning is that from Room 13 there is eventually nowhere to go but 25 --&gt; 34 --&gt; 10.  There is no other route to either the Path or the Trap without passing through 10.  So, if we accept that the reader should just be able to figure out that they&#039;re stuck in a closed section of the Maze beyond a certain point, all the work has already been done by the time they reach that conclusion.  Effectively, it would be a puzzle solution that requires already knowing the solution.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I assume we eventually choose the right door in that room so we don’t return back in the loop&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>The thing with this line of reasoning is that from Room 13 there is eventually nowhere to go but 25 &#8211;&gt; 34 &#8211;&gt; 10.  There is no other route to either the Path or the Trap without passing through 10.  So, if we accept that the reader should just be able to figure out that they&#8217;re stuck in a closed section of the Maze beyond a certain point, all the work has already been done by the time they reach that conclusion.  Effectively, it would be a puzzle solution that requires already knowing the solution.</p>
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		<title>By: Flamiya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flamiya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2026 12:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe it&#039;s a stretched solution, but.... The only word missing on the list is &quot;second&quot;; now, since we came in this room only from the room 18 or 27 (25 too, but I assume we eventually choose the right door in that room so we don&#039;t return back in the loop), in any case the correct door is the &quot;second&quot; we can see in the picture, excluding the one from we came.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe it&#8217;s a stretched solution, but&#8230;. The only word missing on the list is &#8220;second&#8221;; now, since we came in this room only from the room 18 or 27 (25 too, but I assume we eventually choose the right door in that room so we don&#8217;t return back in the loop), in any case the correct door is the &#8220;second&#8221; we can see in the picture, excluding the one from we came.</p>
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		<title>By: vewatkin</title>
		<link>http://www.intotheabyss.net/room-13/comment-page-3/#comment-22943</link>
		<dc:creator>vewatkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2025 13:30:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Neither 7 nor 18 is mentioned in the text, though 13 and 6 are.  Interpreting the mention of &quot;the end of the week&quot; as the number 7 is a choice you can make, but if you do, then the mention of Friday itself means &quot;6.&quot;  (I&#039;m not suggesting it&#039;s irrational to consider 7 and 18 here; I&#039;m just pointing out that those are not mentioned, while other numbers are.)

If you&#039;re not motivated to interpret the room as pointing at 25, the &quot;closer to the end of the week&quot; line seems to suggest door 18, which is literally located near the end of the word &quot;week&quot; in the image.  &quot;Six in the evening&quot; implicates the eighteenth hour of the day.  If these clues indicated the door people thought they should indicate, this would be an uncontroversial reading.

It&#039;s worth keeping situations like this in mind.  The assumption that each room&#039;s clues point at the &quot;best&quot; door is not assumption supported by any authorial statement or the available evidence, and the book itself repeatedly warns us that clues are not trustworthy.  The more often you see clues that cogently point in the wrong direction, the less convinced you should be that all clues point in the right direction.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neither 7 nor 18 is mentioned in the text, though 13 and 6 are.  Interpreting the mention of &#8220;the end of the week&#8221; as the number 7 is a choice you can make, but if you do, then the mention of Friday itself means &#8220;6.&#8221;  (I&#8217;m not suggesting it&#8217;s irrational to consider 7 and 18 here; I&#8217;m just pointing out that those are not mentioned, while other numbers are.)</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re not motivated to interpret the room as pointing at 25, the &#8220;closer to the end of the week&#8221; line seems to suggest door 18, which is literally located near the end of the word &#8220;week&#8221; in the image.  &#8220;Six in the evening&#8221; implicates the eighteenth hour of the day.  If these clues indicated the door people thought they should indicate, this would be an uncontroversial reading.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s worth keeping situations like this in mind.  The assumption that each room&#8217;s clues point at the &#8220;best&#8221; door is not assumption supported by any authorial statement or the available evidence, and the book itself repeatedly warns us that clues are not trustworthy.  The more often you see clues that cogently point in the wrong direction, the less convinced you should be that all clues point in the right direction.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk</title>
		<link>http://www.intotheabyss.net/room-13/comment-page-3/#comment-22942</link>
		<dc:creator>Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2025 12:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, as others have said before, I think the guide is telling us (the readers) to &quot;sum&quot; the 7th day with the 18th hour, the only two numbers indicated in the text; 7 + 18 = 25.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, as others have said before, I think the guide is telling us (the readers) to &#8220;sum&#8221; the 7th day with the 18th hour, the only two numbers indicated in the text; 7 + 18 = 25.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe W</title>
		<link>http://www.intotheabyss.net/room-13/comment-page-3/#comment-22740</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Feb 2025 22:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The clock thought it was six in the evening.&quot;

The mention of six in the evening could be a direct reference to the Mad Hatter in Alice in Wonderland. According to the story, the Queen of Hearts punished the Hatter for &quot;murdering time&quot; when he sang for her. Though the Hatter escaped her wrath, Time itself took revenge, trapping him in a perpetual 6 p.m.—tea time. This could symbolize being stuck in a loop or heading down the wrong path.

Interestingly, the Hatter also posed an &quot;unanswerable riddle&quot;: Why is a raven like a writing desk? Alice couldn&#039;t solve it and eventually asked for the answer, only for the Hatter to admit, &quot;I haven&#039;t the slightest idea!&quot; Lewis Carroll never intended for the riddle to have a solution. However, due to public pressure, numerous interpretations emerged over the years. The most fascinating aspect is that Carroll deliberately created a riddle with no intended answer, leaving it open to endless speculation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The clock thought it was six in the evening.&#8221;</p>
<p>The mention of six in the evening could be a direct reference to the Mad Hatter in Alice in Wonderland. According to the story, the Queen of Hearts punished the Hatter for &#8220;murdering time&#8221; when he sang for her. Though the Hatter escaped her wrath, Time itself took revenge, trapping him in a perpetual 6 p.m.—tea time. This could symbolize being stuck in a loop or heading down the wrong path.</p>
<p>Interestingly, the Hatter also posed an &#8220;unanswerable riddle&#8221;: Why is a raven like a writing desk? Alice couldn&#8217;t solve it and eventually asked for the answer, only for the Hatter to admit, &#8220;I haven&#8217;t the slightest idea!&#8221; Lewis Carroll never intended for the riddle to have a solution. However, due to public pressure, numerous interpretations emerged over the years. The most fascinating aspect is that Carroll deliberately created a riddle with no intended answer, leaving it open to endless speculation.</p>
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		<title>By: vewatkin</title>
		<link>http://www.intotheabyss.net/room-13/comment-page-3/#comment-21638</link>
		<dc:creator>vewatkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jul 2021 20:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes.  David Gentile posted this suggestion here seven years ago, and I commend you for not having read back that far to find it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes.  David Gentile posted this suggestion here seven years ago, and I commend you for not having read back that far to find it.</p>
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		<title>By: LA</title>
		<link>http://www.intotheabyss.net/room-13/comment-page-3/#comment-21635</link>
		<dc:creator>LA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2021 22:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The next time period in the list is “second”
In the sequence of doors 18, 25, 27, the second number is 25

Make sense?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The next time period in the list is “second”<br />
In the sequence of doors 18, 25, 27, the second number is 25</p>
<p>Make sense?</p>
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		<title>By: vewatkin</title>
		<link>http://www.intotheabyss.net/room-13/comment-page-3/#comment-21130</link>
		<dc:creator>vewatkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2021 22:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Something it didn&#039;t occur to me until now to do, but I googled &quot;millenium&quot; to see whether it had any history (as an archaic spelling, alternate spelling, famous misspelling, etc.)

Many articles pop up about how commonly &quot;millennium&quot; is misspelled as &quot;millenium.&quot;  Google shows some intermittent periods as far back as 1530 or so when (based on very little data) &quot;millenium&quot; was more common than &quot;millennium.&quot;  The misspelling became so ubiquitous that Microsoft Word &#039;97 recognized both spellings of the word.  (This was changed in subsequent versions.)

In a vacuum, &quot;millenium&quot; looks like it is probably just a spelling error.

Manson said in response to one of the Ask Manson questions that it was not a spelling error, but that doesn&#039;t necessarily imply it&#039;s a puzzle element.  He may have, for instance, copied the spelling from a specific source that also misspelled it, and not considered that an error.  He may be of the mind, as others have been, that it was an accepted alternate spelling.  He may have just been embarrassed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something it didn&#8217;t occur to me until now to do, but I googled &#8220;millenium&#8221; to see whether it had any history (as an archaic spelling, alternate spelling, famous misspelling, etc.)</p>
<p>Many articles pop up about how commonly &#8220;millennium&#8221; is misspelled as &#8220;millenium.&#8221;  Google shows some intermittent periods as far back as 1530 or so when (based on very little data) &#8220;millenium&#8221; was more common than &#8220;millennium.&#8221;  The misspelling became so ubiquitous that Microsoft Word &#8217;97 recognized both spellings of the word.  (This was changed in subsequent versions.)</p>
<p>In a vacuum, &#8220;millenium&#8221; looks like it is probably just a spelling error.</p>
<p>Manson said in response to one of the Ask Manson questions that it was not a spelling error, but that doesn&#8217;t necessarily imply it&#8217;s a puzzle element.  He may have, for instance, copied the spelling from a specific source that also misspelled it, and not considered that an error.  He may be of the mind, as others have been, that it was an accepted alternate spelling.  He may have just been embarrassed.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2021 05:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think this is a likely solution because the word &quot;second&quot; and the &quot;seventh&quot; letter are both missing from the same board, and they both indicate the ordinal form of a number, implying that those numbers should be used together. Also, Manson has confirmed that the missing &quot;N&quot; is not a typo and this solution fits with his implication that odd-one-in solutions are more prevalent. Thanks to the community and credit to the people who originally brought up some aspects of this solution (like the clock indicating 18).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is a likely solution because the word &#8220;second&#8221; and the &#8220;seventh&#8221; letter are both missing from the same board, and they both indicate the ordinal form of a number, implying that those numbers should be used together. Also, Manson has confirmed that the missing &#8220;N&#8221; is not a typo and this solution fits with his implication that odd-one-in solutions are more prevalent. Thanks to the community and credit to the people who originally brought up some aspects of this solution (like the clock indicating 18).</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://www.intotheabyss.net/room-13/comment-page-3/#comment-21107</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2021 20:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The word &quot;second&quot; is missing from the list, which is the ordinal form of the number 2. The second &quot;N&quot; is missing from the word &quot;millennium&quot;, which is the seventh letter in the word. This 2 and 7 indicate the door to room 27. The clock thinks that it&#039;s six o&#039;clock in the evening, which is 18 military time, indicating the door to room 18. As in several other rooms, the unindicated door to room 25 is the correct one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The word &#8220;second&#8221; is missing from the list, which is the ordinal form of the number 2. The second &#8220;N&#8221; is missing from the word &#8220;millennium&#8221;, which is the seventh letter in the word. This 2 and 7 indicate the door to room 27. The clock thinks that it&#8217;s six o&#8217;clock in the evening, which is 18 military time, indicating the door to room 18. As in several other rooms, the unindicated door to room 25 is the correct one.</p>
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