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		<title>By: britzerland</title>
		<link>http://www.intotheabyss.net/room-21/comment-page-2/#comment-23098</link>
		<dc:creator>britzerland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2025 13:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Room 40 has a &quot;span&quot; symbol directly below hermes&#039; winged foot/sandal symbol. 

This symbolises measuring the feet of Hermes. Which is &quot;dactylic hexameter&quot; for Homeric hymn 4. 

Homeric hymn 4 is also a massive part of room 20 and the turtle/tortoise.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Room 40 has a &#8220;span&#8221; symbol directly below hermes&#8217; winged foot/sandal symbol. </p>
<p>This symbolises measuring the feet of Hermes. Which is &#8220;dactylic hexameter&#8221; for Homeric hymn 4. </p>
<p>Homeric hymn 4 is also a massive part of room 20 and the turtle/tortoise.</p>
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		<title>By: britzerland</title>
		<link>http://www.intotheabyss.net/room-21/comment-page-2/#comment-23080</link>
		<dc:creator>britzerland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2025 21:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The spanner on the floor measures the &quot;yard&quot; (from the text). Its measuring the &#039;span&#039; of the distance. A yard is 3 feet or a metre. Poetry/Odes/verse have feet and meter. The spanner has hex ends. It is a clue about &quot;hexameter&quot;. We need &quot;dactylic hexameter&quot;.

The twin snakes are Hermes&#039; staff Caduceus but missing the wand/staff and wings/feathers. I wrote in room 20 how it is about Homeric Hymn #4 (which is &quot;dactylic hexameter&quot;, like Iliad/Odyssey). In HH4 Hermes creates the first  lyre from a tortoise and eventually gives it to Apollo who gives him Caduceus. 

Now we need &quot;dactylic&quot; and the missing feathers for Caduceus. Well, the bird looks like a pterodactyl with feathers. As a prefix &quot;ptero-&quot; means &quot;having wings&quot;. So we move can move the ptero- off the bird for &quot;dactyl&quot; and for the wings/feathers of Caduceus. 

For the missing wand/staff I&#039;m not sure yet. The blind man in room 29 seems to hold it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The spanner on the floor measures the &#8220;yard&#8221; (from the text). Its measuring the &#8216;span&#8217; of the distance. A yard is 3 feet or a metre. Poetry/Odes/verse have feet and meter. The spanner has hex ends. It is a clue about &#8220;hexameter&#8221;. We need &#8220;dactylic hexameter&#8221;.</p>
<p>The twin snakes are Hermes&#8217; staff Caduceus but missing the wand/staff and wings/feathers. I wrote in room 20 how it is about Homeric Hymn #4 (which is &#8220;dactylic hexameter&#8221;, like Iliad/Odyssey). In HH4 Hermes creates the first  lyre from a tortoise and eventually gives it to Apollo who gives him Caduceus. </p>
<p>Now we need &#8220;dactylic&#8221; and the missing feathers for Caduceus. Well, the bird looks like a pterodactyl with feathers. As a prefix &#8220;ptero-&#8221; means &#8220;having wings&#8221;. So we move can move the ptero- off the bird for &#8220;dactyl&#8221; and for the wings/feathers of Caduceus. </p>
<p>For the missing wand/staff I&#8217;m not sure yet. The blind man in room 29 seems to hold it.</p>
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		<title>By: vewatkin</title>
		<link>http://www.intotheabyss.net/room-21/comment-page-2/#comment-22961</link>
		<dc:creator>vewatkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2025 16:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We&#039;ve been discussing this suggestion in the MazeCast discord.  I don&#039;t think that the number of sides on the interior of the wrench heads is really a clue, but I do think there&#039;s some value in musing out loud about this kind of thing.  We&#039;ve noted that there are a number of things in the room that demonstrate symmetry of a sort, which seems purposeful but for which we have no good explanation.

Because we&#039;ve been seeing a lot of &quot;count things in the room, find the number of the door you want&quot; suggestions, though, I do want to emphasize that you will almost always be able to find ways to count small numbers in every room, and it generally just doesn&#039;t seem plausible to assume you&#039;re intended to find the one right way to count things to get a specific answer.  

If there were 44 of something in the room, or 4 of something with 11 parts, something like that, it would seem a lot more intentional, for obvious reasons.  But you can likely look around whatever room, vehicle, outdoor area, or space station you&#039;re on right now, and find multiple ways to count to 4.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ve been discussing this suggestion in the MazeCast discord.  I don&#8217;t think that the number of sides on the interior of the wrench heads is really a clue, but I do think there&#8217;s some value in musing out loud about this kind of thing.  We&#8217;ve noted that there are a number of things in the room that demonstrate symmetry of a sort, which seems purposeful but for which we have no good explanation.</p>
<p>Because we&#8217;ve been seeing a lot of &#8220;count things in the room, find the number of the door you want&#8221; suggestions, though, I do want to emphasize that you will almost always be able to find ways to count small numbers in every room, and it generally just doesn&#8217;t seem plausible to assume you&#8217;re intended to find the one right way to count things to get a specific answer.  </p>
<p>If there were 44 of something in the room, or 4 of something with 11 parts, something like that, it would seem a lot more intentional, for obvious reasons.  But you can likely look around whatever room, vehicle, outdoor area, or space station you&#8217;re on right now, and find multiple ways to count to 4.</p>
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		<title>By: sp</title>
		<link>http://www.intotheabyss.net/room-21/comment-page-2/#comment-22960</link>
		<dc:creator>sp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2025 13:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is incorrect. A wrench has 2 ends, with 4 flat sides, so the answer is 24.

Counting things can be twisted to mean anything you want. It&#039;s not the way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is incorrect. A wrench has 2 ends, with 4 flat sides, so the answer is 24.</p>
<p>Counting things can be twisted to mean anything you want. It&#8217;s not the way.</p>
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		<title>By: Milo</title>
		<link>http://www.intotheabyss.net/room-21/comment-page-2/#comment-22959</link>
		<dc:creator>Milo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2025 05:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The wrench shows two U shaped openings , each containing 4 flat sides . 44]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The wrench shows two U shaped openings , each containing 4 flat sides . 44</p>
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		<title>By: vewatkin</title>
		<link>http://www.intotheabyss.net/room-21/comment-page-2/#comment-22689</link>
		<dc:creator>vewatkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Oct 2024 01:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Seems like a good thought!  &quot;This is called&quot; meaning &quot;this gets called.&quot;

a bird&#039;s song
a [phone] number
a name
uh....
roll
curtain
the toll-free 888 area code (this is assuredly the one)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems like a good thought!  &#8220;This is called&#8221; meaning &#8220;this gets called.&#8221;</p>
<p>a bird&#8217;s song<br />
a [phone] number<br />
a name<br />
uh&#8230;.<br />
roll<br />
curtain<br />
the toll-free 888 area code (this is assuredly the one)</p>
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		<title>By: Kiki</title>
		<link>http://www.intotheabyss.net/room-21/comment-page-2/#comment-22687</link>
		<dc:creator>Kiki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Oct 2024 09:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A terrible idea: out of all the rooms connecting directly to 1, this is the only one without ringing or something sound-related. (41 is full of horns and the girl has her fingers in her ears; 20 and 26 have ringing). When the guide says &quot;this is called&quot;, we assume they&#039;re going to tell us the name of something- as the guests say, &quot;we know what the name is&quot;- but is this correct? Maybe &quot;calling&quot; is a reference to a phone ringing, or birdcalls, or someone making a sound. Like the girl in 41, they aren&#039;t listening, and are on the wrong path completely.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A terrible idea: out of all the rooms connecting directly to 1, this is the only one without ringing or something sound-related. (41 is full of horns and the girl has her fingers in her ears; 20 and 26 have ringing). When the guide says &#8220;this is called&#8221;, we assume they&#8217;re going to tell us the name of something- as the guests say, &#8220;we know what the name is&#8221;- but is this correct? Maybe &#8220;calling&#8221; is a reference to a phone ringing, or birdcalls, or someone making a sound. Like the girl in 41, they aren&#8217;t listening, and are on the wrong path completely.</p>
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		<title>By: ritz</title>
		<link>http://www.intotheabyss.net/room-21/comment-page-2/#comment-20707</link>
		<dc:creator>ritz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2020 20:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wait, the dangerous area of the loop resembles courtyards/gardens. So we were &quot;led down the garden path.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait, the dangerous area of the loop resembles courtyards/gardens. So we were &#8220;led down the garden path.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Aria</title>
		<link>http://www.intotheabyss.net/room-21/comment-page-2/#comment-14444</link>
		<dc:creator>Aria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Apr 2016 13:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I KNEW you would appreciate that one, 515! :-D]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I KNEW you would appreciate that one, 515! :-D</p>
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		<title>By: 515</title>
		<link>http://www.intotheabyss.net/room-21/comment-page-2/#comment-14442</link>
		<dc:creator>515</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Apr 2016 13:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As rock and roll related solutions for this room go, I like your Byrds &quot;Turn, Turn, Turn&quot; one better....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As rock and roll related solutions for this room go, I like your Byrds &#8220;Turn, Turn, Turn&#8221; one better&#8230;.</p>
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