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	<description>Solving Christopher Manson&#039;s MAZE and the Genre of the Immersive Puzzle</description>
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		<title>By: Cheetah</title>
		<link>http://www.intotheabyss.net/room-23/comment-page-2/#comment-23036</link>
		<dc:creator>Cheetah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2025 23:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is almost certainly true, and it&#039;s a real dastardly thing for Manson to have done! But he did drop a very real clue to help metagamers too: the mention of the &quot;coat room with the animal&quot; lets the reader know that you must have gone through room 42 before getting to this point, meaning room 42 must be on the path the center. This alone could help get stumped readers moving in the right direction by eliminating a lot of hypothetical paths from contention.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is almost certainly true, and it&#8217;s a real dastardly thing for Manson to have done! But he did drop a very real clue to help metagamers too: the mention of the &#8220;coat room with the animal&#8221; lets the reader know that you must have gone through room 42 before getting to this point, meaning room 42 must be on the path the center. This alone could help get stumped readers moving in the right direction by eliminating a lot of hypothetical paths from contention.</p>
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		<title>By: vewatkin</title>
		<link>http://www.intotheabyss.net/room-23/comment-page-2/#comment-22606</link>
		<dc:creator>vewatkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Aug 2024 00:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I believe you&#039;re correct, though this has been hypothesized on MazeCast before.  I&#039;d look up an episode and timestamp for you, but that would require me to watch MazeCast.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe you&#8217;re correct, though this has been hypothesized on MazeCast before.  I&#8217;d look up an episode and timestamp for you, but that would require me to watch MazeCast.</p>
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		<title>By: Beelzebibble</title>
		<link>http://www.intotheabyss.net/room-23/comment-page-2/#comment-22601</link>
		<dc:creator>Beelzebibble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Aug 2024 20:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve been thinking about the &quot;seeking for so long&quot; bit. It&#039;s such a peculiar line.

On its face, you think it&#039;s pointing a giant glowing arrow at room #45. Then when you know the winning path and the canonical &quot;correct exit&quot; for each room, you interpret the line as a willful misdirect. But it&#039;s a misdirect that can&#039;t possibly work on someone who&#039;s actually playing through the book room-by-room in the intended manner!

That&#039;s because you can only encounter this room after having already passed through #45. The doors to #8 and #19 are one-way, while #28 (and its neighbor #32) also can only be accessed on the back end of the Path. So if you&#039;re playing the book properly, this isn&#039;t your first time seeing a door to #45 and it&#039;s nothing to get excited about. You&#039;re trying to get back AWAY from #45. The misdirect has no substance.

I wonder if Manson&#039;s purpose with this line, quite apart from just having a bit of fun, was to misdirect readers who AREN&#039;T playing through the book sequentially but are instead trying to reverse-engineer a solution by working their way backward from #45. Such a reader, perhaps, hasn&#039;t found the upside-down door in #29. He thinks there are no doors leading to #17 except for the one in #45. So he assumes that #17 must be the first step back out from the center, and in turn assumes #23 must be the last step in toward the center. The &quot;seeking for so long&quot; line neatly reinforces this impression and sends the reader down a rabbit hole, only for him to eventually realize that there is no route from #1 to #23!

Again, this could absolutely just be Manson being cheeky, but it&#039;s interesting to think of this as a fakeout specifically meant to counter metagamers, not straightforward players.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been thinking about the &#8220;seeking for so long&#8221; bit. It&#8217;s such a peculiar line.</p>
<p>On its face, you think it&#8217;s pointing a giant glowing arrow at room #45. Then when you know the winning path and the canonical &#8220;correct exit&#8221; for each room, you interpret the line as a willful misdirect. But it&#8217;s a misdirect that can&#8217;t possibly work on someone who&#8217;s actually playing through the book room-by-room in the intended manner!</p>
<p>That&#8217;s because you can only encounter this room after having already passed through #45. The doors to #8 and #19 are one-way, while #28 (and its neighbor #32) also can only be accessed on the back end of the Path. So if you&#8217;re playing the book properly, this isn&#8217;t your first time seeing a door to #45 and it&#8217;s nothing to get excited about. You&#8217;re trying to get back AWAY from #45. The misdirect has no substance.</p>
<p>I wonder if Manson&#8217;s purpose with this line, quite apart from just having a bit of fun, was to misdirect readers who AREN&#8217;T playing through the book sequentially but are instead trying to reverse-engineer a solution by working their way backward from #45. Such a reader, perhaps, hasn&#8217;t found the upside-down door in #29. He thinks there are no doors leading to #17 except for the one in #45. So he assumes that #17 must be the first step back out from the center, and in turn assumes #23 must be the last step in toward the center. The &#8220;seeking for so long&#8221; line neatly reinforces this impression and sends the reader down a rabbit hole, only for him to eventually realize that there is no route from #1 to #23!</p>
<p>Again, this could absolutely just be Manson being cheeky, but it&#8217;s interesting to think of this as a fakeout specifically meant to counter metagamers, not straightforward players.</p>
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		<title>By: Dano</title>
		<link>http://www.intotheabyss.net/room-23/comment-page-2/#comment-17206</link>
		<dc:creator>Dano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2018 00:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not sure if anyone noticed this, but the VIII is the middle number on the stone. And 8 is the middle door on the wall.

I like also the note someone made that it was the 8th window pane broken.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure if anyone noticed this, but the VIII is the middle number on the stone. And 8 is the middle door on the wall.</p>
<p>I like also the note someone made that it was the 8th window pane broken.</p>
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		<title>By: White Raven</title>
		<link>http://www.intotheabyss.net/room-23/comment-page-2/#comment-14840</link>
		<dc:creator>White Raven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2016 22:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[HA! :D]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HA! :D</p>
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		<title>By: Factitious</title>
		<link>http://www.intotheabyss.net/room-23/comment-page-2/#comment-14828</link>
		<dc:creator>Factitious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2016 00:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Possibly because he has a &quot;chip&quot; on his shoulder. Or a computer chip???]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Possibly because he has a &#8220;chip&#8221; on his shoulder. Or a computer chip???</p>
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		<title>By: Novice</title>
		<link>http://www.intotheabyss.net/room-23/comment-page-2/#comment-14825</link>
		<dc:creator>Novice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 May 2016 23:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;“Look at those two trees out there,” one said, looking over my shoulder, which is not easy to do.&quot;

Apparently it is difficult to look over the Guide&#039;s shoulder.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;“Look at those two trees out there,” one said, looking over my shoulder, which is not easy to do.&#8221;</p>
<p>Apparently it is difficult to look over the Guide&#8217;s shoulder.</p>
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		<title>By: Aria</title>
		<link>http://www.intotheabyss.net/room-23/comment-page-2/#comment-11963</link>
		<dc:creator>Aria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2015 15:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Recent poster Germaine&#039;s screen name gave me an idea for this room.

Seven stars over room 45... could this be a reference to the Seven Sisters, or Pleiades? This constellation is found ON THE SHOULDER of the constellation Taurus the bull. Another minotaur hint? (Difficult to look over guide&#039;s shoulder... would certainly be difficult if he is talking about a constellation!)

If this is in fact the case, it might also be another hint that 45 is the wrong door here... if you go through 45 you are going back... if you are looking over your shoulder, you are looking back. (The idiom &quot;looking over your shoulder&quot; means being wary of danger or threats...)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recent poster Germaine&#8217;s screen name gave me an idea for this room.</p>
<p>Seven stars over room 45&#8230; could this be a reference to the Seven Sisters, or Pleiades? This constellation is found ON THE SHOULDER of the constellation Taurus the bull. Another minotaur hint? (Difficult to look over guide&#8217;s shoulder&#8230; would certainly be difficult if he is talking about a constellation!)</p>
<p>If this is in fact the case, it might also be another hint that 45 is the wrong door here&#8230; if you go through 45 you are going back&#8230; if you are looking over your shoulder, you are looking back. (The idiom &#8220;looking over your shoulder&#8221; means being wary of danger or threats&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Aria</title>
		<link>http://www.intotheabyss.net/room-23/comment-page-2/#comment-11286</link>
		<dc:creator>Aria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2015 17:38:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Seems fair to me... officially handing over my Cluemaster tiara. I think it will look very nice on you, sp.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems fair to me&#8230; officially handing over my Cluemaster tiara. I think it will look very nice on you, sp.</p>
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		<title>By: White Raven</title>
		<link>http://www.intotheabyss.net/room-23/comment-page-2/#comment-11284</link>
		<dc:creator>White Raven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2015 16:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If a room is already a 5 and you get another solution does that mean you are the new cluemaster?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If a room is already a 5 and you get another solution does that mean you are the new cluemaster?</p>
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