Comments on: Room 34

By: vewatkin

vewatkin — Mon, 19 Apr 2021 21:51:19 +0000

I’m not talking about what we can agree on, I’m just talking about what we know.

By: Aria

Aria — Mon, 19 Apr 2021 20:43:21 +0000

Well, I don’t agree with everything you said up there…

By: vewatkin

vewatkin — Fri, 16 Apr 2021 02:02:19 +0000

“We” includes all entities except Manson.

By: Aria

Aria — Fri, 16 Apr 2021 01:57:47 +0000

What’s all this “we” business, vewatkin?

By: ritz

ritz — Thu, 15 Apr 2021 16:58:34 +0000

All very true…
In a way, the loop is the most “Maze” area of Maze with the mindset we have to use to think about it… not much is certain and I suppose that’s the idea

By: vewatkin

vewatkin — Thu, 15 Apr 2021 12:07:42 +0000

There exists some number of clues pointing the best way (back to 41/1)–the umbrella in 10 points toward 41, anyway, and the back of the book suggests that things pointing the way are clues. There seem to be far more clues pointing the wrong way, though our general ignorance makes that observation dubious.

Maybe there are just clues pointing all over, since there is no right way. Maybe there are clues to the correct course of action, not always the correct door. (E.g., “start over,” etc.) But inasmuch as we can tell anything about the book, we can tell it is NOT the case that the rooms are elaborate unified puzzles that indicate the best doors to take.

Determining which door you want to be the answer, and working to interpret the room as a puzzle indicating as much, is demonstrably one of the worst ways to reach plausible conclusions or helpful insights. We are much better off considering the book with an acknowledged ignorance than with assumptions about what the rooms should be telling us. Trying to discern/imagine what EXACTLY Manson said to WR, and what EXACTLY he meant by it, is a useless exercise that gives the illusion of discovery while telling us nothing.

By: Josh

Josh — Thu, 15 Apr 2021 05:36:02 +0000

Very interesting, considering how much debate there is about the extent to which the rooms of The Loop have “solutions”. Though I don’t think that this necessarily confirms that all the rooms of The Loop have clues that direct you to the best door, as we usually think of The Path. One distinction between the two circuits is that when navigating The Path, the reader is given the explicit task of finding the shortest possible route, while such a goal is much less overt for The Loop, if Manson intended it at all. Considering this, and that the choice of door in some rooms is pretty inconsequential, I don’t think we know which door, if any, Manson considered the best in each loop room like we already do for The Path. Plus, there’s the persistent question of the reliability of WR’s interpretations of Manson’s statements.

By: ritz

ritz — Thu, 15 Apr 2021 03:34:33 +0000

Bumping this. Manson confirmed this? Because I remember this was a big point of discussion when we were trying to figure out the loop rooms

By: Derek

Derek — Wed, 10 Apr 2019 01:32:05 +0000

the eye on the ship is most likely the Eye of Horus (it’s on a ship to Troy in an image I found, and it resembles the one in this room). Horus is the main god of representing the cultural wisdom of the Egyptians, and the Eye of Horus sees all. Sooooo……they know something, right? There could also be some Egyptian relation between Cleopatra and the Eye of Horus.

By: vewatkin

vewatkin — Tue, 09 Apr 2019 11:32:08 +0000

MAYBE EYES KNOW

they don’t