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	<description>Solving Christopher Manson&#039;s MAZE and the Genre of the Immersive Puzzle</description>
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		<title>By: scrumdiddlyumptioussam</title>
		<link>http://www.intotheabyss.net/room-4/comment-page-4/#comment-23432</link>
		<dc:creator>scrumdiddlyumptioussam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2026 01:50:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know if this is far-fetched because there&#039;s technically two correct doors to this room, but on the table there&#039;s matchsticks, and if you match the sticks in nearest pairs it leaves one log out pointing towards room 29.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if this is far-fetched because there&#8217;s technically two correct doors to this room, but on the table there&#8217;s matchsticks, and if you match the sticks in nearest pairs it leaves one log out pointing towards room 29.</p>
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		<title>By: Gregor</title>
		<link>http://www.intotheabyss.net/room-4/comment-page-4/#comment-23430</link>
		<dc:creator>Gregor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2026 21:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The E L L I think is 37 and 17 (if you include the long line at the top of the maze as a 1) which are the next two rooms after taking rooms 29 and 15]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The E L L I think is 37 and 17 (if you include the long line at the top of the maze as a 1) which are the next two rooms after taking rooms 29 and 15</p>
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		<title>By: DTK</title>
		<link>http://www.intotheabyss.net/room-4/comment-page-4/#comment-23421</link>
		<dc:creator>DTK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2026 03:52:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What a Foolish Face has 16 letters though]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a Foolish Face has 16 letters though</p>
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		<title>By: Riccardo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Riccardo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2026 21:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know this is probably a too easy solution, but I got to door 29 like this:
ELL from the poster
E=5
L=12
L=12
12+12+5=29]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know this is probably a too easy solution, but I got to door 29 like this:<br />
ELL from the poster<br />
E=5<br />
L=12<br />
L=12<br />
12+12+5=29</p>
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		<title>By: Luca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2026 10:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tossing a coin could also suggest this room has two possible (equally good) outcomes. 

Room 29 also breaks the symmetry, it&#039;s the only door that doesn&#039;t have a +/-1 door across.

15 -&gt; 16
44 -&gt; 43
29 -&gt; 24?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tossing a coin could also suggest this room has two possible (equally good) outcomes. </p>
<p>Room 29 also breaks the symmetry, it&#8217;s the only door that doesn&#8217;t have a +/-1 door across.</p>
<p>15 -&gt; 16<br />
44 -&gt; 43<br />
29 -&gt; 24?</p>
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		<title>By: Flamiya</title>
		<link>http://www.intotheabyss.net/room-4/comment-page-4/#comment-23352</link>
		<dc:creator>Flamiya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2026 21:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello! I&#039;m here in 2026, I only recently found this nice and intriguing book. Probably everything I can find is already been mentioned, but I still try! 
In this room, I noticed a lot of things suggest the number two, suggesting we have to go in this room two times: two nails, two lights, the logs splitted in two parts, the connecting objects in the posters are two and both in two parts, the concept of the two faces of the coin in the text and the fact the letters ELL in the maze poster (if you have to find the letter L for later, you don&#039;t need two &#039;L&#039; for spelling it, but here there are two). In the end, the concept of &quot;crossing paths with a black cat&quot; may suggest again you have to cross this room two times in your path. All these hints suggest the number two but I thought, what ARE effectively the two correct doors? Since there are always some suggestions to the right path, it seems impossible to haven&#039;t one here. The axe crossing only the two right paths seems weak to me. 
Maybe I&#039;m wrong of course, but I&#039;m intrigued of the first phrase the guide say when we enter in this room, it seems like it has no sense... But if you count the numbers of the letters in &quot;what a foolish face&quot; it results 15, and if you add the numbers of letters in &quot;pay no attention&quot; it results 29, the exact numbers of the two right doors. Can&#039;t be a coincidence right?Even if this is the correct intuition, we still don&#039;t know what path choose first, and this made me mad, then I notice the maze picture has only one way out, at the center of the extreme left wall. So, maybe this is the hint you have to choose the door in the center of the left wall for you first choice. Room 29 lead us to room 45 right? And then, when we return here to go back to room 1, we can choose the room 15 like they say in the text &quot;by a process of elimination&quot;.
Another thing I notice for let me see the left part of the picture is the chair positioned like if I sit here, I look the left wall (this exclude the door in the center too), suggesting the right paths are bad (the black cat comes from the right too, and it can be a symbol of bad luck).
Sorry for the WoT, I hope my supposition may interest you!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello! I&#8217;m here in 2026, I only recently found this nice and intriguing book. Probably everything I can find is already been mentioned, but I still try!<br />
In this room, I noticed a lot of things suggest the number two, suggesting we have to go in this room two times: two nails, two lights, the logs splitted in two parts, the connecting objects in the posters are two and both in two parts, the concept of the two faces of the coin in the text and the fact the letters ELL in the maze poster (if you have to find the letter L for later, you don&#8217;t need two &#8216;L&#8217; for spelling it, but here there are two). In the end, the concept of &#8220;crossing paths with a black cat&#8221; may suggest again you have to cross this room two times in your path. All these hints suggest the number two but I thought, what ARE effectively the two correct doors? Since there are always some suggestions to the right path, it seems impossible to haven&#8217;t one here. The axe crossing only the two right paths seems weak to me.<br />
Maybe I&#8217;m wrong of course, but I&#8217;m intrigued of the first phrase the guide say when we enter in this room, it seems like it has no sense&#8230; But if you count the numbers of the letters in &#8220;what a foolish face&#8221; it results 15, and if you add the numbers of letters in &#8220;pay no attention&#8221; it results 29, the exact numbers of the two right doors. Can&#8217;t be a coincidence right?Even if this is the correct intuition, we still don&#8217;t know what path choose first, and this made me mad, then I notice the maze picture has only one way out, at the center of the extreme left wall. So, maybe this is the hint you have to choose the door in the center of the left wall for you first choice. Room 29 lead us to room 45 right? And then, when we return here to go back to room 1, we can choose the room 15 like they say in the text &#8220;by a process of elimination&#8221;.<br />
Another thing I notice for let me see the left part of the picture is the chair positioned like if I sit here, I look the left wall (this exclude the door in the center too), suggesting the right paths are bad (the black cat comes from the right too, and it can be a symbol of bad luck).<br />
Sorry for the WoT, I hope my supposition may interest you!</p>
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		<title>By: sp</title>
		<link>http://www.intotheabyss.net/room-4/comment-page-4/#comment-23342</link>
		<dc:creator>sp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2026 16:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[vewatkin and I disagree on a many number of things, and we certainly don&#039;t decide anything on consensus. you can keep bullying people into believing your schitzo nonsense and the only result will be more ridicule, which you earned.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>vewatkin and I disagree on a many number of things, and we certainly don&#8217;t decide anything on consensus. you can keep bullying people into believing your schitzo nonsense and the only result will be more ridicule, which you earned.</p>
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		<title>By: Inolien Kiki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Inolien Kiki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2026 16:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wasn’t really asking about the other guy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wasn’t really asking about the other guy.</p>
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		<title>By: britzerland</title>
		<link>http://www.intotheabyss.net/room-4/comment-page-4/#comment-23340</link>
		<dc:creator>britzerland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2026 16:15:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Inolien Kiki

Some of us want MAZE solved. I want it solved as it helps solve Blue Prince. I shared my solutions on the off chance of an intelligent person seeing the posts and developing them further or uncovering a new solution then sharing it. After several months that has not happened a single time. I did stop sharing solutions and entire classes of solutions which apply across the whole house. Strong answers with proven statistical significance.

I can&#039;t believe the quality of answers they managed to obtain over more than a decade. You can see when smart posters like ARIA left everything ground to a halt here. 

Their door answer for room 45 - the most important room - was SP&#039;s &quot;a spear points to the door&quot; as if objects don&#039;t often point to the wrong door. 
I give them &quot;the floor has U and LaCe like periodic table, move along periodic table from U to LaCe and it spells PaTh, draw a line from U to LaCe in the room and it points to correct door to continue path &quot;. Their next posts to me after that are &quot;RIP abyss&quot; and telling me to stop sharing any solutions at all. 

&gt; if you can’t seem to reason with the people you’re debating, why spend time debating them?

There are readers who don&#039;t yet know vewatkin / SPs character and will believe them when they use pseudoscience or manipulate together. They back each other up, like their own posts, and write as if they are speaking on behalf of many people. It&#039;s all a manipulation trick. Most people get persuaded by consensus rather than logic and think &quot;oh theres a consensus that guy is wrong&quot; ; which then enables vewatkin and SP to prevent solutions from being developed so they can maintain their delusion of being the self appointed &quot;maze experts&quot; at the cost of preventing progress. They&#039;ve done that for a decade. If someone called them out 10 years ago then there could have been far more solved and discovered. And I just want all the solutions no matter who solves them. 

Vewatkin rationalised his gaslighting and smearing in a reply to my solution in room 9 by using the fact I didn&#039;t reply here. They wrote:
&gt; Obviously, britzerland’s manner of interpreting Maze seems outlandish to everyone else, and britzerland himself has given up trying to engage earnestly with others. In all fairness, we all, myself included, pretty quickly took the opportunity to crack wise about the new David Gentile. But in poking fun at britzerland’s mental health, you’re dipping your toe into some very personal and potentially very real issues that we really don’t need to exacerbate.

Now that I respond with full scientific method and logic I&#039;ll get asked &quot;why are you responding earnestly?&quot; and vewatkin writes &quot;no need to respond to us!&quot; in a different thread to hide his lack of any real response in this thread. This is after  smearing me with falsehoods that I was mentally unwell and not replying to good faith reaching out. Vewatkin operates on so many f&amp;cking levels of deceit and manipulation.

For them to both still be repeatedly publicly mocking David Gentile - who meant well from what I could see - 10 years later, when he can&#039;t defend himself as they apparently got him banned: it shows how dishonourable, pathetic and rat-like SP and vewatkins are as men 

Just read again vermin watkins post and the manipulation tricks he employs. &quot;obviously&quot; &quot;mental health&quot; &quot;everyone else&quot; &quot;very personal&quot; &quot;very real issues&quot; . Utterly disgusting person at their core]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Inolien Kiki</p>
<p>Some of us want MAZE solved. I want it solved as it helps solve Blue Prince. I shared my solutions on the off chance of an intelligent person seeing the posts and developing them further or uncovering a new solution then sharing it. After several months that has not happened a single time. I did stop sharing solutions and entire classes of solutions which apply across the whole house. Strong answers with proven statistical significance.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t believe the quality of answers they managed to obtain over more than a decade. You can see when smart posters like ARIA left everything ground to a halt here. </p>
<p>Their door answer for room 45 &#8211; the most important room &#8211; was SP&#8217;s &#8220;a spear points to the door&#8221; as if objects don&#8217;t often point to the wrong door.<br />
I give them &#8220;the floor has U and LaCe like periodic table, move along periodic table from U to LaCe and it spells PaTh, draw a line from U to LaCe in the room and it points to correct door to continue path &#8220;. Their next posts to me after that are &#8220;RIP abyss&#8221; and telling me to stop sharing any solutions at all. </p>
<p>&gt; if you can’t seem to reason with the people you’re debating, why spend time debating them?</p>
<p>There are readers who don&#8217;t yet know vewatkin / SPs character and will believe them when they use pseudoscience or manipulate together. They back each other up, like their own posts, and write as if they are speaking on behalf of many people. It&#8217;s all a manipulation trick. Most people get persuaded by consensus rather than logic and think &#8220;oh theres a consensus that guy is wrong&#8221; ; which then enables vewatkin and SP to prevent solutions from being developed so they can maintain their delusion of being the self appointed &#8220;maze experts&#8221; at the cost of preventing progress. They&#8217;ve done that for a decade. If someone called them out 10 years ago then there could have been far more solved and discovered. And I just want all the solutions no matter who solves them. </p>
<p>Vewatkin rationalised his gaslighting and smearing in a reply to my solution in room 9 by using the fact I didn&#8217;t reply here. They wrote:<br />
&gt; Obviously, britzerland’s manner of interpreting Maze seems outlandish to everyone else, and britzerland himself has given up trying to engage earnestly with others. In all fairness, we all, myself included, pretty quickly took the opportunity to crack wise about the new David Gentile. But in poking fun at britzerland’s mental health, you’re dipping your toe into some very personal and potentially very real issues that we really don’t need to exacerbate.</p>
<p>Now that I respond with full scientific method and logic I&#8217;ll get asked &#8220;why are you responding earnestly?&#8221; and vewatkin writes &#8220;no need to respond to us!&#8221; in a different thread to hide his lack of any real response in this thread. This is after  smearing me with falsehoods that I was mentally unwell and not replying to good faith reaching out. Vewatkin operates on so many f&amp;cking levels of deceit and manipulation.</p>
<p>For them to both still be repeatedly publicly mocking David Gentile &#8211; who meant well from what I could see &#8211; 10 years later, when he can&#8217;t defend himself as they apparently got him banned: it shows how dishonourable, pathetic and rat-like SP and vewatkins are as men </p>
<p>Just read again vermin watkins post and the manipulation tricks he employs. &#8220;obviously&#8221; &#8220;mental health&#8221; &#8220;everyone else&#8221; &#8220;very personal&#8221; &#8220;very real issues&#8221; . Utterly disgusting person at their core</p>
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		<title>By: sp</title>
		<link>http://www.intotheabyss.net/room-4/comment-page-4/#comment-23338</link>
		<dc:creator>sp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2026 11:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m ok with being wrong about Beefaroni™ p-values since they&#039;re not pertinent to Maze.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m ok with being wrong about Beefaroni™ p-values since they&#8217;re not pertinent to Maze.</p>
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