" Q1: What do you think of this image Q2: What hidden image do you see Q3: Do you see a bull ("bull" shown) Q4: Was it intended? Q5: It's from a cryptic puzzle book, with a puzzle about a bull, with a clue MAYBE pointing... "

" For what little it's worth, it occurred to me the other day that the shape of the tree in this room is vaguely reminiscent of the winding snakes in the adjoining room 21. "

" Well, there's guidesy stuff throughout the trap; I don't know whether it really starts or ends in 6, or that it's a trail. Ritz, did you keep going with the hidden bull head experiment? In any case there is no bull's head, we should really... "

" In the trap rooms. 6: The important notice seems to have text referring to the true identity of someone; the guide mentions the deceptions played on his father. 40: The similar font used for the doors suggests we should head to 38. 38: The key... "

" Trail of guide clues? "

" It's near the center, an important room, so disparate paths intersect. Mirlan made an interesting post somewhere describing how the looks of the doors are based off of where they take you, based on the different routes crossing here. 17 is like the hidden away... "

" Is there anything interesting in this room that we don't understand yet? I find it very curious that the three rooms you can get to from here are not only all on different levels, but all serve as sort of a centerpiece for the riddle... "

" Well, the wagon and the flagon are a pair a' gons! "

" Maybe "paragon" is somewhere. "

" The loop-key in general is sort of a foil to 45. Both are large areas filled with ridiculous amounts of clues that all talk to eachother, but one is a single room that the entire maze is designed to keep you out of and the... "

" This puzzle(?) is shaping out to be Room-45-like. "

" Ohhh, I like this line of thought- taking into account the contexts of where these doors end up/why we'd choose them (when concerning these symbols). I'm feeling something around option 3... "

" It's also interesting, to me at least, to consider the context in which someone might be coming through the door from 17. Having found the secret door to 17, the reader is extraordinarily unlikely to go anywhere besides 45 thereafter. Thus, if you're traveling from... "

" Interestingly, PERHAPS, the other place in the book where an insect appears is in 41, where it is outside the entrance to 38; on the other side of 38 is the broken key image. To put this in a misleadingly appealing way, the three symbols... "

" I don't know whether the objects are centered there, exactly. Loose object trails end there, but that sort of follows from the key marking a dead end and a cul-de-sac. It is true that 33 and 7 are especially heavy with objects/images that occur in... "

" There's a special shelf in my room for dreamlike books such as Maze. I too would dearly love to have the sequel to one of my favourite books. And thank you, Mr Manson, for sharing your other books and all the artistry and joy they... "

" Can I assume there's a millionaire fan of Maze that is having the actual house built somewhere? "

" The repeated items/concepts seem to mostly be centered in the "key" of the loop. "

" Not pictured: anything suggesting relevance "

" "Fleece" means "trick." "Tricking" is a system in heraldry for indicating colours. "

" No gods, no masters, no metaphors. "

" I was reminded by Alyssa's comment about the Loop perhaps having its own overarching riddle that I have a theory about the Loop rooms being a metaphor for Jason's quest for the golden fleece. (Which is eventually found here in 7, as the wool that's... "

" [needle groove] ["Vince's Greatest Hits" begins to play] Stentorian Baritone: The revealed major puzzles were holistically beyond human comprehension, but not every piece of them was. We can find connections, references, and petty reasons--even in Room 45, people could. But trying to force revelations according... "

" I think I went with 30 by elimination: 36 and 38 both have arrows pointing at them (making neither a clear choice), and 1 just takes me back where I came from, so off to 30 I went. "

" Doesn't bode well. But we shouldn't give up... "

" I always went with 26 because (a) it's the only door with a word over it that doesn't have more than one meaning and (b) it seemed the artist went through a lot of trouble to make sure it was the only one where the... "

" D: "

" The main crux of the problem is that we assume that the goal of the Loop riddles is to point us back to the Path. But we know the Riddle of the Path is confined completely to its own 16-step path, and we know the... "

" Yes, we have far more evidence of misleading clues than helpful ones. These images might not be unified in their meaning but yet be integrated into the patterns of the book--wow, what an opaque phrasing! I mean this may be a place where a bunch... "

" For that matter, even if it is pointing to a door, who knows which door it's pointing to? We have no guarantee that the rooms off the Path have any reason to point you towards it. "

" And there's the octagon and dragon in the following rooms. We shouldn't discount those either. "

" I had hope for this room, because I thought, "Oh, there's some unifying principle that will make it make sense!" But every doorway has some weird thing going on. Nothing is pointing towards 3. I think we also have to take into account that maybe... "

" Maybe every doorway gives us a word/part of a word. Maybe agon is the end of a shape name. "

" What if this room… has no solution? And Manson threw in a bunch of half-connected bullshit as a zany prank. I don’t think he would do that, but sometimes I wish he would. I wish there *wasn’t* something here, because as long as it’s here,... "

" What is going on in this room?? A bunch of "agon" rhymes, a bee and a key, and a secret society? The only thing I can think of is that this room contains sub-themes and the puzzle doesn't boil down to "rhymes, nonrhymes" or something... "

" You do have a point. If it was any other college I would have said this would be a very obscure reference, but W&M is just famous enough that I think it might be plausible(though I still think the Seven Society is a good bit... "

" WELL, you guys are going to hate me again, BUT... I don't think it matters that much whether Manson went there, if he could reasonably be believed to have been aware of it. Which--I don't know, might require some more research, but it seems plausible... "

" That doesn't really look like a drum key, though. Drum keys are like miniature tire irons. "

" Oh, I think the key looks like that to resemble a drum (tuner) key. "

" Ah, good sleuthing, Alyssa. That answers THAT question! Some more stuff I found, all of which is the kind of thing Vince hates and is probably coincidental: *Take a look at the picture of the sundial on the UVA campus, placed there by (a different)... "

" While this *is* interesting, I would like to point out that Manson graduated from NSCAD in 1975 and then got a Master of Fine Arts at SUNY New Paltz. Both of these degrees left a public paper trail; there is no such link between him... "

" Check out images of the College of William & Mary’s WREN building "

" =shields cavern? "

" Don’t forget Shields Tavern... "

" "holds some water" CERTAINLY holds water, I mean. 7 + dagger + crown can't be a coincidence. "