Room 13

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…room number 13.

They weren’t really comfortable here and I knew why.

“No, no,” they said. “We’re not all superstitious.”

“Only some of you, then?”

They were worried it might be Friday. Well it’s true that it was closer to the end of the week than they realized. It takes a great deal of experience, certainly more than they possessed, to understand how time works in the Maze. The clock thought it was six in the evening.

Quickly moving on we came to…

 - Images and text copyright 1985 by Christopher Manson
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Room Type:  LOOP     Doors:  18  25  27

Solution Summary: [COLLECTION CURATED BY WHITE Raven. SEE COMMENTS FOR ADDITIONAL SOLUTION PROPOSALS.]

● The progression of time on the sign on the left helps to draw attention to the importance of periods of time, such as the hour and day, and frames the solution listing these increments. The middle paragraph of the text reads, “They were worried it might be Friday. Well it’s true that is was closer to the end of the week than they realized.” Only Saturday is closer to the end of the week as Sunday is the first day of the week. [Note: a universal assumption in 1985 America.] Saturday = 7. The text continues, “It takes a great deal of experience, certainly more than they possessed, to understand how time works in the Maze. The clock thought it was six in the evening.” Six in the evening = 18 military time. Of the increments of time listed on the left the only ones we know are Saturday and 6 PM. 7+18=25 the number of the correct door.  [Independent Credit: David G | White Raven] [Note: This solution is incomplete]

● In the illustration are pyramid shapes with four balls on the bottom and one on top. In the text, the two lines of dialogue read,  ”No, no,” they said. “We’re not all superstitious.” “Only some of you, then?” The phrase “No, no…” is a reference to the two incorrect doors, the rest of the dialogue is to assist in interpreting the pyramids to find the correct door…you are looking for part of a whole. The one ball on top and four below is meant to suggest 25% or.25, the number of the correct door. [Credit: Kon-Tiki]

● The folding supports for directors chair make two Xs (though only one is clearly visible) the megaphone is a V shape. XXV = 25. [Independent Credit: Aria | White Raven]

● The sunlight streaming down on the sundial illuminates two of the hour segments on the far side of the noon divider and five on the near side. 2 & 5 = 25 The object being a sundial reinforces that conclusion that we look for sunlight. [Credit: Aria]

● The cord for the lamp makes a long stretched out 2. The bracket for the light makes a “V” (5) Roman numeral. 2 & 5 = 25. [The "V" could alternately be found in the lamp legs.] [Credit: White Raven]

● The director’s chair, megaphone, lamp, and sundial together suggest a sequence of events: 1. The director uses the megaphone to call out “Lights! Action!” or the more common “Lights! Camera! Action!” [Independent Credit: SP | Kon-Tiki | White Raven] 2. The light is turned on. 3. The gnomon (fin) of the sundial casts a shadow which looks like an arrow pointing at door 25. [Independent Credit: Aria | White Raven] The lines of the sundial outline the shape of the shadow-arrow. [Credit: SP] The word “action” suggests we take action and follow the arrow. [Independent Credit: SP | White Raven] The director’s chair reinforces this solution by suggesting that the riddle provides “direction” (the arrow). [Credit: Dave G] The sunlight from above which casts a clear shadow suggests that the solution is shadow related [Credit: Kon-Tiki], as well as the fact that the object which cast the arrow-shadow is a sundial (which functions via shadow) [Independent Credit: Aria | White Raven]. The shadow of the cord and tripod of the lamp may also produce an arrow. [Credit: SP]

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195 thoughts on “Room 13

    • Or maybe it’s telling us to take the cross sections of the pyramid pillars, which are SQUARES, like 25.

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  1. Here is a probably huge stretch attempt at N….

    N is a variable symbol in algebra. It can mean anything. Second is a measure of time, but can also be an exponent. If Millennium were spelled correctly, there would be 5 Ns on the sign. N=5. N to the second power = 25.

    Or more simply, the N to the second implies that we are looking for a square number, and the only square number door is 25.

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  2. I’m sure we’ve all been thinking about “MILLEN(N)IUM” since the latest Ask Manson. I know I have. I haven’t come up with anything definitive, but I have noticed something that seems like a pattern… I’m just going to put it out there and hope someone else can make more sense of it.

    So on the Times Table, we have two errors or omissions: the “SECOND” time increment is missing, and the “N” is missing from “MILLENNIUM.” What these two things have in common is the numbers 9 and 10: we have a list of 9 time increments that’s incomplete and would be completed if a 10th increment were added, and we have a word with 9 letters that is misspelled and would be correctly spelled if it had one more letter, making it a 10-letter word.

    What does this do for us? Well, the two wrong doors, are both multiples of 9. Because the room is all about TIME, and features a TABLE of TIMES, it seems reasonable to have a solution that has to do with the TIMES TABLE.

    Could it be as simple as an odd-one-in solution with 25 being the odd one in, in that it’s not a multiple of 9?

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    • I really want to do something with the skeleton clock — it seems intentional that the skeleton on the left has only 2 limbs fully showing, while the right-hand skeleton has all 4. If you add the skeleton limbs to the 2 hands on the clock and count the 1 pendulum as an additional “limb” you get 2 + 4 + 2 + 1: another 9…

      ALTERNATIVELY, and with the opposite meaning, you could count two limbs on the left and five on the right (counting the pendulum as a right-hand limb but not taking the clock hands into account since they are right in the middle) — this gives you 2 5… 25.

      Soooooooooooooo… yeah.

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  3. Again also here I had figured that this room was about the movie The Seventh Seal but the solution you have all figured here are much better.

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  4. Here’s a crack at the remaining piece of this room.

    The hourglass time table is missing “second,” a word which could be represented by the number 2, if you took it to mean, say, the second item in a list. This means, remove the 2 from 27 above the door. Then you are left with a 7, which also corresponds to the 7th item in the list, DAY, which we know is Saturday from all the stuff that’s come before.

    Then you have the number 18 above the door beside the clock, matching 6:00 pm.

    Between door (2)7 and 18 is the table, which is set up the way you’d set up a bunch of numbers if you were going to add them, with a space at the bottom for an answer. I feel like someone said this below but I can’t find it.

    (There’s also the hourglass at the top, which reinforces this idea… the grains of sand at the top fall to the bottom… adding together to make a total at the bottom, sort of. VW said this I think.)

    So the time table represents addition and it is between the left and middle doors. You add the left and middle doors together (after removing “2″ from “27″) to get the number of the correct door.

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    • You could sort of get an equal sign out of the shinbones of the skeleton on the right. Or the thighbones… which connect to the hipbone… which points to 25… dum dee dum dee dum

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  5. It’s 6 pm, so light is no longer streaming in from ceiling. Director calls out “LIGHTS!” Light goes on. Shadow of gnomon and shadow gnomon itself make perfect arrow pointing at 25.

    This is hinted at in Room 35 with the turned-on lightbulb and the shadow of the Thing’s legs pointing to the right.

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    • Hallelujah! Good job Aria!

      This one has been a long time coming with credit for various other parts of this solution going out to Dave Gentile, Hello Gregor, Kon-Tiki (twice!), SP (thrice!) and Aria (again!).

      Congratulations everyone!

      White Raven

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  6. Saturday, Saturn’s day, named for the planet named for the Roman god of time. In Hellenistic astrology, every hour of every day is governed by one of the seven classical planets–and wouldn’t you know, the 18th hour of Saturday was governed by the SUN.

    BFD, sun and time, yeah, those elements are in the room, but we already knew that. What’s the point of using a bunch of time-related clues to lead you to Saturday to lead you to Saturn to suggest “time”? Well, good point, I don’t know.

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    • Those skeletons over there on the clock remain unaccounted for. Death (personified) is sometimes associated with hourglasses, and hourglasses are sometimes a symbol of death (unpersonified) in kind of a vague time-keeps-on-passing way. It could just be that they’re just a counter-indicator for the clock, warning you off of 18.

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    • I think it was mentioned on Mazecast that the skeletons, which are not apparent on a glance, could indicate that relating the time, whether it be 6am or 6pm, is a red herring (hence two skeletons and not one).

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    • I don’t watch MazeCast since that handsome fellow with the beard is no longer on it.

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    • Well, Saturn is associated with death as well, which could make the skeleton clock a impetus to combine day and hour. But that seems pretty darn weak, because Saturn seems to have been associated with just about everything, and conflated with just about every god, at one time or another, so there’s not much you could stick on that clock that wouldn’t be arguably related to Saturn. And if you did want a symbol of Saturn on there, there are like a billion better ones to use.

      A skeleton clock is a thing, maybe this is a visual pun, but to what end? Any end?

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